between some creep going to the movie theater and killing people and me protecting my family. a gang comes in as a gang. >> you do not need a machine gun to do that. >> i live in the city where hundreds of people have been killed. >> this whole discussion about rights responsibilities. you have a responsibility not to kill people. >> i have a responsibility -- >> no, no, no. >> i have to responsibility to protect my wife and children and i can't do that. >> mr. holmes was not trying to protect any one. he walked into the theater to kill and he was successful at it. >> what if i had been in the theaterrer with a gun legally and i could have stopped him? >> i would hope that you would have been on the floor protecting your family. >> we are not saying the way to stop gun violence in the country is to arm everybody in some kind of weird escape from new york death match. >> elie, that is exactly what we are trying to do. that is exactly what i think. guys if you give good people, you don't take light away from darkness and hope the darkness