kidnap the woman, so kidnapping obviously is a charge, but extortion is a worse charge than kidnapping, so that's why i say if the guy is watching, now it's better for him to turn himself in. cal ripkin and his family are not out for blood, they just want the guy to come forward, if the guy needs help they'll get him some help, but i think the guy is a local guy right up there in aberdeen and i think he just really needs to turn himself in, patti. patti ann: we have evidence the police said earlier today from the vehicle, they've got a few tips from the billboards that they have up, but generally n many clues they say. why so few clues in this case? >> you know why, i can tell you why so few clues. i think this guy did this crime on his own. i don't think he did it in cahoots with anybody else. i don't think it was a major conspiracy, i think he did it on his own. if anybody recognizes this guy, it's going to be somebody that has had a contract tpher their homcontractor in their home before and they are going to recognize them.