megyn: they try to say that they didn't know anything about the controversial tactics. but yet they sign up on some wiretap applications but they didn't know about the controversial aspects of the program. i want to tell our viewers, this is basically a designation that you get at the doj. could it be a ocdef operation and they do not know about the intricate details about the operation? >> that is exactly the point. they can't have it both ways. they can't say that they knew about wide receiver, "operation wide receiver", and it was flawed, and then start up fast and furious and claim they didn't know about it. they could not claim all of these things sequentially, particularly under the ocdef where dennis burke, who has