there wasn't cameras with john ed wards. >> greg: and you know who is hurt is the sketch artists. they'd be out of work. >> dana: he's an artist. >> greg: i'm an artist at heart. >> dana: can i ask you another thing? when the tragedy first happen, the massacre happened, one thing that people were asked and president obama agreed not to mention his name. so to me i'm like well, then, if that is how the victims feel maybe cameras in the courtroom is also something that should be done. >> greg: exactly. i don't want to see the guy. >> eric: what of a case where someone may have known him and didn't realize they know him until they see him on tv. and they go i remember when he did this in high school. maybe it helps stop it from happening again. >> bob: does anyone else find it unusual that so few people come forward and say they have known the guy?