the experts has to say. if the defense doesn't like what the first expert has to say, they will line up for sure, who has the right mind to do this? nobody would. they need to kick the first threshold, he has some mental illness and has got some mental defect and they will try to find some way he didn't know right from wrong. hear is the issue, megyn, there is not a jury in the land will buy this argument. this all becomes mitigators this same jury in the sentencing phase assuming they say death, all that plays into why we should spare his life. megyn: i want to get, what a jury is likely to do, again, john hingeally shot our president. worked for him. >> the law was different back then. >> different standard then. megyn: before we get to that, lis, what was with the eye roll. maybe he was medicated but in court he couldn't keep his eyes open. he kept looking off. it was bizarre to watch. >> right. megyn: could this have been an act? what are the odds that they medicated him in the jail or