year. less than 1% of homicides involved five or more victims and it stayed below that rate for decades, having said all of that bill what are your thoughts about the rampage. >> i don't think i have any original thoughts but i was struck by the act of heroism, by three young men who have saved, in each case their girlfriend or fiancee's lives by pushing them down and covering them and in each case lost their own lives and, it seems to be chair risk of early of these acts. and, the person who barred the door, at columbine and let the students escape. so that is heartening, in what is a terrible story. >> chris: it understandably reignited the debate on gun control and i want to pick up what i discussed with senators feinstein and johnson. some gun rights activists say