when you see those hands moving, the only saw that i would take away anything from him was his very last sentence when he talks about under president obama, we have less success. as he says this, he opens his hands a little bit more. that was the only flash. >> what does that mean. >> usually that means there's a bit of an internal struggle. he's not quite sure about that, and that's why his hands are like that. >> how can he not be quite sure? he's building his whole campaign on that. >> that's true. >> let's get back to the president. the president is performing, as you said. >> yes. >> to his crowd. >> yes. >> does that mean he doesn't necessarily believe what he's saying, that this is just a performance? >> really, what it means, you have to realize both of these people are coached, but what it boils down to is he's going to play to whatever audience he needs to. when he needs to be serious, he'll be serious. when he hears cheers -- >> in sincerity, does it merit? >> you would be able to tell if his movements didn't match the timing of his words. as he's doing his dance, what i'm looking for is to make sure the timing is on, and in both