that way and say it's legitimate to discuss those issues i don't think it's very smart. look, the chicago formula is the formula this white house uses. the president -- you brought up the comment he made yesterday about business, that you don't succeed on your own. martha: right. >> that shows that he really believes that, that government makes businesses succeed, and individuals don't. and the reason he believes that is the chicago formula. in chicago they give grants to their friends that support their campaigns, and that's what this president has done. the solyndra money went to people who were bundlers, and backers, and contributors to the president's campaign. so he believes he made solyndra. the money that went t fisker was the same way, bundlers and contributors. martha: we had a panel that talked about this a little while ago and they said look so me a president who hasn't done that,