administration that has been using the espionage act to prosecute whistle blowers and this sort of thing and some say accused the administration, then it -- of leaking secrets, national secrets for the political campaign? >> oh, i don't think this is -- i think those are to two separate issues in fairness. i think it looks so bad fort administration to be leaking national security information that anything you might get by looking tough. if they're doing that, it's not very intelligent. this is skirmishing. this is throwing a lot of mud. i think you're going to see it both ways. i think romney is doing very well raising money. so you're going to see shots there. i think this is going to be a long hot summer in politics as well. >> eric: how much mud do you think will be slung between now and november? >> you know, enough so that you and i are going to just have to