voter i.d. law, suing arizona for enforcing immigration laws. so does he have some sort of argument there? >> this is separate from that. i think everyone can admit that. that we are looking at this, that the american public is looking at this as an area where there is something -- that we need to know, that we need to know what holder was doing and ha this program was about. we need to know what happened to brian terry and the family has said themselves that they want this investigation to happen. that they want it to -- they want to know what happened to their son and they're not getting that because holder isn't cooperating. he isn't telling people what is going on. and congress has the right of oversight. >> attorney general eric holder is the one ho has put together the investigation to figure out what's going on in this situation and the only thing republicans in congress doing is holding that up by stirring up trouble -- >> no, they're not holding it up. ryan, you know what? let's have a real conversation. >> heather: on that point, we have to go. thank you both for joining us. obviously a heated debate today