that he had abused her. and we sat george down, and we told him that his daughter was saying that she -- that he sexually abused her. and he didn't admit to it, but he didn't deny it. we found that to be very shocking to us, that it left cheney and i looking at each other in complete -- we were dumbfounded, and we couldn't understand how he just didn't deny it. now, again, that's one of those things that it's more of a subjective opinion, but all i can tell you is we confronted mr. anthony about the abuse and he never ever, ever denied it. >> was there any suggestion or any accusation that he ever abused the child, caylee anthony? >> you know, we thought -- first of all, that's something we gave consideration to when we were --