finger mean? >> the finger is very aggressive. when you do it, what you are doing is being overly aggressive. >> bill: wait. overly aggressive? >> yeah. what you are doing is dominating that person. >> bill: well, maybe the person needs to be dominated. >> you are right there. is a time and a place for everything. this is not typical obama. normally he does the politician point. >> bill: he does two things well, three things. he does the one finger, he does the five fingers. >> that's the chop. >> what's the chop mean. >> once he goes from the finger he tries to now change up and goes to a chop which is to be emphatic without being overly aggressive. >> bill: one finger is overly aggressive. the chop is emphatic but not overly aggressive. >> that's right. >> bill: three fingers. >> three fingers now he is making. >> bill: now is he confused. >> here is the interesting thing he does at the end of this piece he changes hands and he starts pointing now. >> bill: one hand is tired. [ laughter ] >> actually, no what he is trying to do is reanchor the conversation and take it in a different direction. >> bill: when you switch hands you are trying to get away