politics, but, you know, it's kind of the pot calling the kettle black by romney saying he's pandering to hispanics. of course president obama is pandering to the hispanics. bill: do the voters see it that way, that's the question. >> i believe it is, it's all about politics to get some legislation passed you have to get the votes, that's what politics is all b. and that's what presidential candidates do. the flaw, what is missing in the piece of romney's speech is what is his long-term propose a. let's put it out here for examination. you can't criticize what one president is doing and say i'll do it better but not saying what you're going to do. bill: part of what julie's point is, i'll let you jump back in here. if immigration is so important to this administration why wait three and a half years to get it done. >> that's exactly right. immigration is a tough issue. presidents are reluctant to bring it up as a topic. it's got to be. if romney is elected he owes it to the country to britt up as a