not college graduates. 18% of a close eselection a lot. >> dana: this is something people don't know. recently two of the solicitor generals of the united states, the person that defends the united states in court, especially the supreme court level, rex lee and jay ruben clark argue on behalf of america. you can't find more patriotic people. they were mormon. business, j.w. marriott. if i lan thropy is a big deal in mormon church. harvard business school, academia, kim clark is the dean there. kimberly, your old stomping ground. steve young, quarterback of the san francisco 49ers. >> greg: president obama. >> dana: i will tell you -- a lot of people are mormon in position of leadership that people might like or support and think are good leader bus they don't realize they're