i think he has done a great job. i don't think he will compromise. the republicans will run and keep tax rates low. it is what think should run on. jenna: should they on epto compromise to get tax policy more effective. >> that you should do. we want to raise taxes. we want to raise them a lot but not raise tax rates. something like simpson-bowles which was the president's policy of that commission, alan simpson and bowles would be great. lower rates. broaden the tax base and get prosperity back. but jenna, you can't balance the budget on the backs of the unemployed. to get taxes you can't, you have got to get the economy growing first and foremost. we all want tax revenues to rise a lot. it is just how do you get it? jenna: right. >> to me the way you get more revenues is growth. it really is growth. jenna: art, great to have you on the program. grover norquist, will be on with neil cavuto later. we'll send the interview to him and see what he has to say about it. >> thanks very much, jenna. jenna: thank you. >> my pleasure.