it is private unions and public unions. say don't include me with plic unions. people as far back as fdr. it is not good for public unions to identify. that is what they are saying with kris wallace. >> you are seeing the fundmental unfairness and sitting on both sides of the table . they are noticing the education and health care and others are diminished because so much money is devoured by high salaries, higher than the taxpayers themselves are earning and generous benefits and bullet-proof job protection and pedges. >> are you saying that you would like to see no public worker unions? >> i think really government works better without them. i really do.