stand up and say look it. look at what happened in wisconsin and we are going to implement those same types of reforms. >> sure. it is also -- while it's a very powerful union, it's also -- they're doing very well. when you look at the amount of money the average teacher makes in chicago vs. the average person in cooke county, look at that. 73,000 vs. 53,000 for a private sector employee. and ultimately, kyle, isn't that what it's going to come down to? the people of chicago and cooke county are going to look and they're going to go wait a minute, they're making a lot more than i am. they want 30%? i don't think so. and ultimately, they may do what wisconsin did yesterday. >> well, that's exactly right. it is incumbent upon the parents to get involved in this fight and tell the union exactly what they think because the union has been out in the streets protesting and picketing. they've partnered up with occupy chicago. all in an effort to try and win