right? because if they're saying we'll give you, in this one case, it was a ct scan for the abdomen, it was going to be $4423, that blue shield said we got you a good price, $2400, but when the newspaper called in and asked them for the price they paid in cash, $250. so what is that all about? what is the cost of actually running this scan? >> i love that, $250! can you imagine? that shows you the technology has been around a while and there's no way it should cost $4000. and to your point, martha, it's caught in the middle man. all this money is caught up in the back and forth between the insurance company and the hospital, and that's why our premiums are so high, that is absolutely the problem of the future as more and more insurance rolls in. martha: it's worth looking into. mark, thank you very much. >> great to see you. martha: as always. dr. mark seeingel. bill: is this a scandal rocking the vatican, a butler at the center of an investigation, what he was allegedly doing with stolen