>> bill: you contend is he not telling the truth here. >> i contend is he not telling the truth. and he doesn't know because he was not there when we started to do the enhanced interrogation techniques. he doesn't know what we got. >> bill: here now to reply is mr. sufan the author of the book black banners inside story of 9/11 and the war against al qaeda. what say you? >> thank you for the opportunity to respond. >> bill: sure, absolutely. >> you know, mr. rodriguez is totally wrong here. as fbi agents we are trained to deal with facts. let's stick with the facts. >> bill: okay. >> he said on your show that enhanced interrogation techniques started in august of 2002. mr. padilla was arrested in may of 2002. it is physically impossible that information that arrested the alleged dirty bomber jose padilla. the information we got from mr. padilla the joint cia fbi team without the enhanced interrogation technique in april of 2002.