debt ceiling. well, of course, you know the president determines which checks go out and which checks don't go out if we run into a problem like that, and it was a very strange but very successful tactic, and it terrified republicans, it terrified seniors and they quickly raised the debt ceiling. quietly last week his lawyers petitioned the supreme court and said that -- after having sort of tried everything else said that if the supreme court overturns obamacare it's going to put all these burdens on making payments to medicare. it's just kind of a shocking tendency to keep going back and making these kind of threats that -- i don't know if they are valid or not, but it's kind of an alarming thing to always go back to that whenever you get yourself into a political bind. jon: something we'll keep an eye on as the election approaches. charlie hurt from the washington times. thank you. jenna: now to to west r-frplt