on this year presidential election but my next guest say don't forget the seniors. could make or break the election for either candidate. this is fox news contributor doug shoen and spokesman for the 60 plus association my good friend pat boone. good to have you both here today. >> thank you. doug you wrote an article recently that seniors could sink president obama in 2012. how could they do that? >> well simple, mike. seniors had gone for george w. bush by 5 points in 2004. they went for mccain for seven or eight points in 2008. but 2 years ago in the midterm elections they voted plus 21 for the republican and they turned out in bigger numbers than ever had before. if that happens again that could spell doom for president obama. >> we have a full screen up to show you. >> hallelujah.