especially a nation of 300 million people like ours. >> john: it's so odd to hear a senator say it's great. you went to law school and i assume they teach all lawyers that life can be managed through paper and procedure top down. >> the law itself lends itself to that kind of thinking. it's not altogether wrong. there are after all some areas where it's totally appropriate for us to have this village elder deference on a national scale. for instance, national defense, when it's time to go to war, we have to rally behind a leader. regulating trade between the states and foreign nations, that has to be handle at the national level. >> john: why does it need regulation? >> it's the extent of the regulation the s the critical question we have to answer. congress over the last 75 years with a little assistance from