1975 who was cited for contempt, the bottom line is, you don't want your legacy to contain a contempt order of congress. that's serious stuff. >> gregg: some people regard it as a badge of honor. karl rove, harriette myers. >> but at the end of the day, what you have shear a borrowed patrol agent who is dead, because the department of justice allowed 2,000 ar 15s to walk across the border with nothing connected to them other than we'll find these guns in a homicide scene. the problem is that no one has been fired. no one has been accountable. eric holder, although he has testified at six or seven hearings said he didn't know, then he did know, then he didn't know until then, but now he knew sooner and we're only finding this out because congress is getting information in response to the subpoena. >> gregg: the administration always asserts executive privilege and the lawyer under privilege law says there is a presumption of privilege and it's almost impossible for