that no nation can or should deny those rights. >> john: another former chinese dissident, ba ling said today that hillary clinton at the least should go to the hospital to meet with him. do you think she should do that? >> absolutely meet with them. the thing is, the problem is, i don't think it is incompetence. i wish it was incompetence. they decided we care more about trade agreements and having high level meetings than we care about human rights. onus is on them to prove that statement is not true. they had him on u.s. oil soil and they have let him out into this horrible situation, his family is still in danger. i think it's going to really reflect badly on the united states. >> john: we have few seconds left. what do you think the united states should do? >> they have to get him and his wife and children out.