earlier, were these campaign contributions or were fred baron and bunny mellon providing private gift, you know, to cover up all these nefarious, the affair and child and not wreck his campaign? i think it's a very close case. but i want to make one other point which is when andrew young's wife testified she also said john edwards said he checked with campaign lawyers. i don't know whether that is true or not but it does raise a question, maybe lis, advice of counsel. theoretically. >> they also said they believed john edwards because john edwards is a lawyer, okay? neither of them are lawyers. they believed him. he said as a lawyer i'm telling you this isn't illegal. >> lis, he said he checked with other lawyers. i think that is huge distinction. in other words if the defendant says it i agree with you 100%, he is bad and he is covering things up. he said he checked with campaign lawyers, i doubt by the way my own view that is true. >> he said it was his