conclusion that it's going to raise healthcare costs and cost a lot more money, not just to corporate america but to average americans who have to pay for the new man dates out of their own pocket. martha: they say that would come from higher taxes, that it would come from fees and bureaucratic burdens according to this report that is entitled higher costs, more confusion and less coverage. the other side, the white house basically says that this is a part son report as i mentioned in the event throw, they say it's misleading, inaccurate and contradictory and that democrats have come up with their own list of companies who say that they think it will indeed lower their costs. >> well, you know, facts are facts. you can interpret them different ways, but here is two facts, there is an individual mandate, every american has to have health insurance, so you're going to cover a lot more americans, and that is going to cost more, number one. number two, corporate america, which generally provides