around the world jumping into hot tubs. is that what you're telling me? federal government needs to be down sized and reorganized. but the gsa scandal is minuscule compared to the larger issue of government waste. joining us now from washington tom schatz. the citizens against government waste. give us the headlines, mr. schatz. >> the culture of waste is alive and well in washington, bill. we're spending more money than ever. over the past five years spending has gone up 27% under the obama administration. record deficits. record debt. and nobody is watching how the money is being spent. >> bill: all right. enough to convince me what you are saying is true. that's easy for you to say. i mean, give me some data to back it up. convince me what you are saying is that the government doesn't care about the tax dollars throwing. in throws it anywhere, shape or form. we have the gsa thing. that was uncovered by government auditors. the government did its job in the sense that the government took an audit of these guys or a look at these guys, found