want to know why. why aren't people responding to this? >> first of all, people don't know about the details. he is being protected by the mainstream old media about. this because they know if the american people knew about the details of this program and what they did to push a political agenda that it would definitely swipe a second term from obama. >> bill: let's walk through this very specifically. who is they? who hatched this thing. >> nbc has failed to. >> bill: no, no, not the media. >> okay. >> bill: who is they? who hatched fast and furious. >> justice department. at officials from the justice department. highest levels. eric holder. >> bill: do you think holder knew in the beginning before these guns went south of the border that they were heading there. >> absolutely. in my book i say that one of the main priorities of the obama administration in the beginning was to stop trafficking guns as a direct order from the president to make sure that guns weren't being trafficked into mexico. top priority. >> bill: stop the guns from