in 2008 was fresh and young and exciting and possible tip. is he still that same candidate today? >> no, he just can't be after four years in office, he's had failures, he's had problems. the economy is still a major job. i think what michael barone was saying and i agree with it is that romney is actually doing better in some of the swing state areas than republicans have done in the last couple of years, and that could be good news for republicans. i should point out i just counted the polls that are included in the "real clear politics" average of polls, match ups between obama and romney, obama has led in 21 of the last 28. there have been two romney lead and two ties. a signature eupblg for obama at the moment. jon: it's party hard to overcome the power of the incumbency. as voters get to know little bit more about romney, as he