healthcare law for us to figure out how much it's going to cost. it's not going to reduce our deficit. it's going to explode our deficit and do great harm to our healthcare system. bill: how are you seeing that already. >> this is just the tip of the iceberg. when they first estimated the cost of healthcare they said in the first 10 years it would reduce our deficit by $130 million. they realized the that's not going to work. that will deprive them of $86 billion of revenue. they need another $111 billion for the health exchanges. it gives you $54 billion that will be add to our deficit. that's just the tip of the iceberg. bill: what secretary sebelius argues is the insurance exchanges aren't set up yet. once they are up and rolling those numbers will change.