>> sean: i was watching earlier today and played a segment on the "new york times" best-seller ameritopia and he talks about the era we live in now. he is arguing that kathleen sebelius by not going to the justice department, not looking at the constitution by basically shredding it in this case, it could be in an area. >> the book is fans and i think he is right and we're living in this period that is post-constitutional. people take a look the constitution and it's just a bunch of suggestions rather than the law of the land. kathleen sebelius, mark may be right. remember that every cabinet member including kathleen sebelius acts as the pleasure of the president. >> but he made it before bishop dolan. >> do you think it's okay. >> i think they are pushing the church.