isn't about her. this is partially about her and the modeling industry has been in the doldrums and not doing well. you know, this girl kate talked about going back to the era of the super model. it's been dead. maybe she can revive it. and everyone wants to go back to that era-- i don't want to go back there. that frightens me. those people weighed 82 pounds. >> well, everyone wants to go back to that in the modeling industry-- oh, in the modeling industry. >> it was a big success. >> bill: my contention is, miss salsman, is that the world has changed. individual people with talent or good looks, if they are smart like this woman was, miss upton, and they can get themselves on the worldwide internet in the context of a very specific thing, all right? this -- i don't understand this dance. to me, this is not ginger rogers