served a the budget director. it's unconceivable he didn't know. to me it budgets he did it on perp. >> how did he get away from it? >> they got away with the argument all day long. if you look at budget, it's extrapolation of that claim we have seen from them. in bigger form. >> this is why i think, this is so hard to have this conversation in washington now. this budget is such a farce. it's filled with so many gimmicks, some are laughable. this is so silly that it's hard to have a rationale discussion. i have to admit listening to the senators on capitol hill, i talk to senator jeff sessions today. talking about this saying here is where the problem is. these projections are off. do the numbers matter? this is fantasy land.