what this president is interested in is radical transformation. why else would a president do what he has just done? it makes no sense. this guy -- please. if you want to get elected, this makes no sense on any level? really in the catholic church you? are going to go after the catholics? >> if obama makes the decision to alienate many, many people, not only catholics, he loses votes. he gives the republicans a big cannon against them. >> he sure does. >> that has happened. >> he sure does. >> why would he do that? >> not only votes but hispanic votes. >> bill: why would he do it. >> exactly right. why we do it? because he wants people on the streets. he wants people -- he wants that confrontation. you get the people who are active down bottom. you get the occupy wall street. you get people so incensed they get outen the streets and people in the middle say come on, somebody has got to stop. this the top comes down and turns the whole thing inside