projects that he shared. passionate interest in it. i can't figure it out. that's why i am hoping in the massive negative reaction to this ruling, i'm hoping he will go back to the assurances he gave me. we can't have government bureaucracy invading the privacy and the independent pep dense of autonomy and integrity that the constitution gives to religion. >> kimberly: andrea, the catholic church at war with the obama administration. >> andrea: they are. a terrible place for the administration to be. battling the highest level of the cat lick church or any religious institution. remember in november, he sat down, dolan sat down with the president and the president gave him his word he would work with the catholic church and work together on charities. we know a lot of charities if they decide to defy the mandate, they will have to pay for example, the catholic charities that employee 70,000 employees.