out of curiosity why do so many turn to their means, their objectives. >> so many where? >> around the world. >> if you are in a totalitarian state, it does show something. it shows mu bar rick is not powerful and can do nothing. in america where you have civil liberties and other avenues to go down, i don't think it achieves a lot. i think it discredits your movement. i think it takes you away from the middle where most of the battles are won. to occupy wall street is a successful movent in. they are not desperate. they put a lot of ideas into the mainstream discussion. >> there is that feeling as was mentioned that they used up their capital. kimberly, talking about mayor of oakland somewhat disparagingly. what do you think she should have done? what should have been her strategy from the outset?
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