that he pays about a 15% tax rate. >> bill: on cap gains, that's how he makes most of his money, that's perfectly legal. may not play well politically. people may not like it. once he is given the chance to explain it and people listen to it they will learn -- >> bill: he hasn't explained it well, has he. >> no. he hasn't spoken it at all. given a sound bite saying it's about a 15% rate. >> bill: his tax returns, do you think they put those out there and just get that behind them him. >> sounds like is he going to. maybe around april. >> bill: by april he could be going the way of governor perry. >> listen, it sounds like he is giving us the headline that perhaps his campaign thought would be problematic already, the 15% tax rate, which you know, a lot of people say wait a minute. you get it out there in advance and have people react to it before you actually do the document dump on them. now there is a story out of this week that he has got investment in the kay men islands. >> bill: offshore accounts. >> they call that a tax haven. >> bill: paid all his taxes.