it hurts rick santorum. he needed to really show some juice in south carolina. the perry endorse swinging toward newt probably does more harm to santorum than it does to romney, because romney voters are pretty well established, they are not likely to go to newt. but perry's voters could have gone either to rick or newt, and the endorsement is a significant thing against santorum and for newt. bill: we had ed rollins on ten minutes ago. he says he sees a two-man race in south carolina between gingrich and romney and would not be surprised if gingrich pulls it out. do you see it that way? >> i think that's possible. there are still going to be some people that will vote for rick santorum because they like him and appreciate his convictions. i don't think he's out of this yet. and of course ron paul's voters aren't going anywhere, they are going to stick with ron paul. if there are 20 people in it or nobody in it they are going to stick with ron paul. bill: governor thank you.