that debt ceiling debate when tim geithner essentially lied and said we were going to default on the debt if we didn't raise the debt ceiling. well, they have about -- by the way, they put the markets in a tizzy. it had a real economic impact. they have about 40 different gimmicks to get around this including this. raid a fund to prevent default and prevent the ultimate sort of catastrophe and it just shows you, i don't trust a lot of what comes out of tim geithner's mouth these days particularly when it comes to the economy. this is sort of a callousness. it's interesting. if you can't raise the debt ceiling, just borrow from yourself. >> pension. >> it's federal workers, you know, they can dip in. by the way, this is done a lot on the state level. any time these state guys need to balance a budget, they'll do something like that as a temporary measure. you can do something like this or 40 things like this. >> why did he do it now. was it directly tied to this? >> yes, because i think what they -- they needed the money immediately was what happened and the money is there, listen. didn't have to pay it back.