we are in a country trying to create innovate i ways to get the public addicted to the government teeth so the government can expand. >> kimberly: do nothing and get something and feel entitled. >> eric: really, really big -- >> bob: you ought to be -- [ overtalk ] >> bob: you are against social security and medicare. >> eric: i'm saying it's getting bigger and bigger. kim, isn't the ultimate test -- this was a carter, reagan idea. are you better off than you were three or four years ago? >> kimberly: it's simple. when you look at it right now we are getting choked to death by overregulation, reckless spending. i feel like somebody should be in jail for this it's so egregious. it has a direct impact on the economy. these numbers are real. they're not in dispute. you have can't blame it all on who came before or on congress, because there is someone who said we should hold him responsible.