board of directors. they call it co-determination and also, finally, in 2009. suppose we passed the employee free choice act. we would have had an increase in wages and that's when it matters, when you have an economic down turn and you don't have the drop off in consumer demands. >> i've got to let toby get in here. >> like on al gore side. and if this was so great. why would indiana have the first order of business to make a right to work state. the idea of right to work state. if you take the right to work state. in order unionizations is not forced for unions, and the right to work, the states are killing everybody and those businesses are great. they're attracting new people and you can't compare germany, come on, steve, to the united states. much smaller and an integrated system. and they also, have a businessmen talent that many of our states don't have. and so, i would-- if you just use the facts, you can't support this and if