then? you don't believe what they believe? >> i didn't say that, bill. i'm saying i don't agree with this report card specifically on a few issues, but one, the discrimination that ron paul has when it comes to immigration. this is a man that wants to repeal the 14th amendment specifically for one class of citizens. how the aclu can support discrimination? secondly, i think the -- >> bill: define that. ron paul wants to what? what does he want to do? >> ron paul does not want a birth right for a certain class of people. >> bill: he doesn't want anchor baby, right? he doesn't want that law. >> i feel that's discriminatory. >> bill: oh. >> i don't really think it's a certain class of people. >> bill: the fact of the matter is, on this dopey report card from the aclu, paul does better than obama. so lesley, i'm sure you have to change your vote. all right. jeanine, you're a conservative woman and i'm sure you don't have much use for the aclu. >> that's true. >> bill: okay.