we have worked many years. i think there are some differences. if you look at total level of experience, i think that i am substantially more experienced than rick is at actually running a very large government operation. if you think of us as partners, he would clearly in historical experience be the junior partner. >> sean: he may want to join up, but he wants to put you in the junior position. but you are friends? >> absolutely. that's a subtle jab. my feeling is the junior partner, when i was in the house of representatives, the big thing that turned the house of representatives from democrat to republican was the scandals that i uncovered, along with john boehner and jim russell, the gang of 7, we fought both republican and democratic leadership on corruption with check-cashing scandal and sent dan rothenskowski to jail.