will defeat barack obama in 2012. the pundits and the press will again try to pick the nominee based on tonight's results but there are many more chapters to be written on the path to our party's nomination and i'd prefer to let the people of the country decide who will represent us. >> so the interesting thing now is will michelle bachmann, rick perry, drop out of the race? the bachmann campaign manager last night said he wasn't so sure. he said it's hard to tell but everything is planned. remember yesterday when we interviewed congresswoman bachmann on this show, she said she already had bought her plane tickets for south carolina so wait and see. it sounds pretty much like rick perry is going back to texas and may be making an announcement forthcoming. >> and with michelle bachmann, she was on our program yesterday and she was emphatic, look, despite what the campaign manager might be saying, she said look, we're going to south carolina. we've already paid for our ticket. >> that's true, too. but i watched -- >> let's hope they're refundable. >> true. but i watched ed rollins last night who was running his