the american people are hurting. he cannot say, vote for me for four more years. all he can do is run a negative campaign, tear apart his opponent and tear apart the country in the process. you know caddell and shown wrote a piece, begging him to get out, make way for hillary. they said his only chance is to run such a scorcher campaign that even if he win, he has torn the country apart, divided it worse than it's been in decades, not worth the price of his re-election -- and he wouldn't have a mandate to do anything. i think he is eminently defeatable. i don't believe the inside-the-beltway conventional wisdom. >> you mention hillary clinton, would she have been a different president? >> not ideologically. >> how about in what she accomplished? >> i think she would have sought