prove. yeah, maybe the company made mistakes, maybe the company has problems that they need to get fixed and hammered out. gregg: but, joey -- >> but that doesn't mean they committed a crime. gregg: joey, it may come down to whether or not there was sufficient pressure safety on the well, but look, the best we can tell there are no federal regs on the proper measurement of safety on the pressure of a well. so can't the defense simply say, hey, you know, we have no guidelines here, it's a matter of subject, and that's very -- judgment, and that's very subjective. >> you hit the nail on the head when you asked sharon about the issue of recklessness. there may not be specific guidelines, however, that notwithstanding you have an obligation, a responsibility to insure safety. they are in the business of doing that, gregg. we would expect and anticipate that they don't consciously disregard a risk and that they keep everyone safe.