accounts belonging to the red cross, care, and "feed the children." some are calling for the hardening of websites against intrusion, and having alternative backups and as much as this is an affront to open society, many experts believe the u.s. should have its own separate internet system to protect it from attacks from outside of its borders. the hackers say the credit card information on the site was unencrypted g that is true that is an embarrassment for a company that focuses on security. >> what is embarrassing here is that this is a security think tank and you would think they would do a better job protecting their own data. >>guest: but they did not and the company said it took all kinds of precautions and still it happened. >> has there been a recent escalation in these attacks? >>guest: i have asked a lot of people that question and it is, really, hard to put your finger on it. most cyber attacks are not discovered until well after they