christmas is largely reseeding and basically what's happening. i think that ordinary americans, 95% which celebrate christmas, 51% say they do so with a strong religion, and-- >> yeah, they-- >> i think you've largely won and you can claim a factor victory. >> i'm not going to do that. i think we're a watch dog group against the forces of darkness. >> i totally disagree. >> do you? >> just this week, santa was thrown out of a cancer center in north carolina, a volume ter santa to give good cheer to keep therapy patients. >> mike: who threw him out. >> the center did, because they receive state funds and thought maybe a conflict. >> mike: where. >> charleston, south carolina. >> mike: and cancer center. >> the public won, in a newspaper response, 90% of the people said it was wrong to do and two days santa. >> santa was back.