the next debate for the democrats. bill ayers should do it. as a matter of fact, you can buy dinner with bill ayers. they are auctioning it off. >> i would watch that. >> bill ayers is gut less and spine less to come on this program. >> have you asked him? >> sure. >> he's a terrific education policymaker. >> terrific on unre penitent terrorists. >> you are really defending bill ayers? >> not bad for a guy who -- >> you mean, he espoused violence against americans. are you kidding? >> he's unrepent tent about being part of a terrorist group. he's a terrorist. >> he never committed any acts of violence. >> excuse me, i don't regret setting bombs, bill ayers. it's a criminal act to set off bombs but he never committed an illegal act? >>