are trying to persuade supporters to get the support he needs in the early states and newt gingrich is doing pretty well now. >> jamie: when you say they are looking for a romney alternative, do you mean they are looking for someone not as moderate, more conservative and is the former speaker, newt gingrich, conservative enough? >> that is a big question, jamie. i mean, on immigration, certainly, mitt romney will be talking a lot about that, because he's to the right of gingrich on that issue and he has handled it deftly, a lot better than rick perry did in the debate where that was the beginning of the end for rick perry and newt gingrich said, listen i'm going to explain it and, he's a good debater and that is something that cain eventually will endorse, both newt gingrich and cain are from georgia, and that is worth noting and i don't think you want the cain endorsement now but in several weeks it could be helpful. >> jamie: maybe you want the fund-raising ability. we'll have to wait and see where that goes. when we talk about governor